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PostSubject: Banned for second last flag attack   Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:12 pm

Hi just got banned for a second last flag attack,

not one message was put up about last flag or any warnings, just a kick and then a banned.

credit where credit due i play your server abit and know the rules, i make every effort not to break them,

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PostSubject: Re: Banned for second last flag attack   Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:12 pm

I might be naive, but isn't a kick a pretty strong warning not to attack last flag from the air? I don't know, I could be wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: Banned for second last flag attack   Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:31 pm

Wansu wrote:
I might be naive, but isn't a kick a pretty strong warning not to attack last flag from the air? I don't know, I could be wrong.
He knows the rules. I've seen him playing a lot and also, breaking the rules.
If you get banned for a short period of time, consider yourself lucky.

Rules are scrolling in game!!
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PostSubject: Re: Banned for second last flag attack   Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:03 pm

Tango5-7 wrote:
Wansu wrote:
I might be naive, but isn't a kick a pretty strong warning not to attack last flag from the air? I don't know, I could be wrong.
He knows the rules.  I've seen him playing a lot and also, breaking the rules.
If you get banned for a short period of time, consider yourself lucky.

Rules are scrolling in game!!
The first kick, I killed one person on the last flag, I didn't check my hud before attack.

i was very careful when i came back, not one bullet or bomb was in the wrong place.

The Kill i did that got me banned was right when another flag turn neutral i stopped firing and flew off, but was banned for that.

Tango5-7 don't imply i break the rules, everyone on the server including the admins have broken the rules and all will again. you can be firing on a flag or dropping bombs when other flags get turned neutral, then you kill some one on the last flag. Its not deliberate.

Ill send Doug a Video i made from the BR file
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PostSubject: Re: Banned for second last flag attack   Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:47 pm

Wansu wrote:
isn't a kick a pretty strong warning not to attack last flag from the air?.
Yes

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PostSubject: Re: Banned for second last flag attack   Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:53 am

It was set for a 24 hour ban since it was the second air attack on last flag in the same round,
regular players are expected to pay more attention and be aware that a last flag situation is
about to happen.
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PostSubject: Re: Banned for second last flag attack   Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:48 pm

E641 wrote:
It was set for a 24 hour ban since it was the second air attack on last flag in the same round,
regular players are expected to pay more attention and be aware that a last flag situation is
about to happen.
Bans should be taken more seriously than Kicks. Bans go against a players stats a ban tarnishs his stats.

Admin are expected to pay more attention aswell, the flag went neutral at the same time i was shooting i stopped and pulled out, I didn't drop bombs, I killed E641 and was banned. Did anyone review the BR file ? http://66.212.17.138/66.212.17.138_16567_battlerecorder/auto_2013_09_26_17_45_00.bf2demo

I was paying attention, 30 seconds before that attack you had 3 flags Airfield, South and North. i started to dive in for attack i checked my map you still had 2 flags south and north.



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PostSubject: Re: Banned for second last flag attack   Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:42 pm

ScudRocket wrote:
Bans should be taken more seriously than Kicks.  Bans go against a players stats a ban tarnishs his stats.
We take bans seriously, specially the permanent bans.
Temporary bans are needed sometimes instead of kicks to enforce rules.
We are not going to stop banning a player because the player stats will be affected.
I did not play the battle recorder because you were banned by a senior admin, and that means an experienced admin.
If your ban was a mistake, then we cant do nothing about it, the ban was raised and will be lifted as stated.
If you are worried because your stats are affected, then you should know this could happen again in this or other server because we all can make mistakes.

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PostSubject: Re: Banned for second last flag attack   Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:46 am

gblanco wrote:

you should know this could happen again in this or other server because we all can make mistakes.
yes mistake happen and they will happen again, im glad we agree on that. enough said this is going no where.

I look forwards to playing with you guys soon and having a chat in squad chat, as we do.

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PostSubject: Re: Banned for second last flag attack   Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:45 am

I played the battle recorder round for curiosity and for the record this was not a mistake.
You were correctly banned for attacking the last flag after being kicked first.

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PostSubject: Re: Banned for second last flag attack   Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:11 pm

gblanco wrote:
I played the battle recorder round for curiosity and for the record this was not a mistake.
You were correctly banned for attacking the last flag after being kicked first.
I never said they where not last flags, The you would have seen the south flag was only just changed during the last attack and you would see me stop firing and fly off.

Are going to ban everyone for 2 attacks on the last flag with no consideration if it is deliberate, repetitive or just a mistake ?

This would be a big change on your server, as this harsh line has never happened before. The server has always been friendly with people helping to inform others of the rules, When a last flag situation would come up Players would put the last flag message up to help each other, the admin would always put the message up in bold text "LAST FLAG, NO ATTACKING WITH AIR" and if someone attacked after that they would get another player pacific warning and then if it happened again they would get kicked.




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PostSubject: Re: Banned for second last flag attack   Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:38 pm

The last flag warning in orange letters is intended to warn newcomers about the last flag rule.
It is the responsibility of regular players to know when it is last flag.
We don't usually give a written warning to regular players,the kick is the warning.
And if they come back and do it again (repetitively).
There's nothing else we can do but ban them.
We do this because by the time you write the last flag warning in orange letters, then give that individual players in the jets or choppers a personal last flag warning, the damage is done the Chinese players on last flag are all dead from being bombed and they lose the flag.
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PostSubject: Re: Banned for second last flag attack   Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:56 pm

DangerousDoug wrote:
The last flag warning in orange letters is intended to warn newcomers about the last flag rule.
It is the responsibility of regular players to know when it is last flag.
We don't usually give a written warning to regular players,the kick is the warning.
And if they come back and do it again (repetitively).
There's nothing else we can do but ban them.
I sent you the video Doug, you could see the ban was unfair as the flag just changed and i was watching and stopped firing and pulled out.

I thought we where friend Dougy, You know i stick by the rules, Ive brought & recommended a lot of players come to your server, I didn't expect you to give me no support.





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PostSubject: Re: Banned for second last flag attack   Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:18 pm

ScudRocket wrote:
Are going to ban everyone for 2 attacks on the last flag ?
After being kicked first and then attacking the last flag a second time, yes.
And repetitive actions breaking the rules will keep the ban longer every time.

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PostSubject: Re: Banned for second last flag attack   Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:32 pm

I agree it was very close on the second bombing, but I find the video of the first bombing inconclusive in that it shows the Chinese flag going down from about halfway,but from the video you can't tell if the flag was already up and was Chinese or if it was stopped by the Americans halfway up.  http://youtu.be/NB2B57lu41Y
Gblanco has viewed the battle recorder video and I trust his judgment.
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PostSubject: Re: Banned for second last flag attack   Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:25 pm

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http://youtu.be/NB2B57lu41Y
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Watching the video and the explanations, I think he is misunderstanding the rule about the last flag when chinese has neutral flags.
I believe he thinks he can attack the last flag if chinese has a neutral flag.

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PostSubject: Re: Banned for second last flag attack   Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:05 pm

gblanco wrote:
DangerousDoug wrote:
http://youtu.be/NB2B57lu41Y
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Watching the video and the explanations, I think he is misunderstanding the rule about the last flag when chinese has neutral flags.
I believe he thinks he can attack the last flag if chinese has a neutral flag.
the point is i attacked a flag and when it went to the last flag i stopped shooting and pulled out, we are talking 1 sec i was shooting on last flag.

you give the commanders a break if they arty the last flag because they may have sent it before the flag turned to last. , This is the same situation.

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PostSubject: Re: Banned for second last flag attack   Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:36 pm

ScudRocket wrote:
you give the commanders a break if they arty the last flag because they may have sent it before the flag turned to last.  ,  This is the same situation.
If we can verify the commander sent the arty while the flag is neutral we dont kick the commander because we are aware the arty takes time to strike.
It is a different situation,
If the commander arty the last flag, we kick the commander first, if he arty again, we ban for 24 hrs the first time.

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